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<blockquote data-quote="razeontherock" data-source="post: 55373914" data-attributes="member: 263091"><p>There are SO many angles to what is a very complex topic! But there's no way around it, we owe both an apology as traitors and a debt of gratitude as foreigners who were treated kindly, and repaid that with evil. And I say that as someone who's Mom's Mom was born on the boat coming over from Northern Europe, and Dad's side of the family migrated here not much before that, from father North. Viking heritage, and conqueror's blood. That is not a good definition of "civilization."</p><p></p><p>While it's true NDN tribes warred against each other, I don't think you'll find much in their history about treaties being made and then broken. Hopefully everyone is aware of actual US History on this matter, and that textbooks candycoat history to make US Gov't artificially smell like a rose?</p><p></p><p>There's no defense for any of that, and it in fact hurt our Nation. You don't need any superstitious "god of the great river will get angry" to realize that we've employed horrible land management technique, and massive flood damage via the Mississippi would've been greatly reduced by slower, more controlled growth of our Nation by honoring the treaties we made w/ NDN's. This is merely one very glaring example, but many more are equally as true!</p><p></p><p>The same thing can be said of slavery, and both issues have in common the other side of the coin:</p><p></p><p>our Founding Fathers (FF) generally were opposed to the actions US winded up taking on both these issues. For example, George Washington himself fought against NDN's and earned quite a reputation and respect amongst them, but he was also very adamant about honoring the treaties we made, on principle. He very much knew they were equals as humans, never considering them savages or any such thing. The reason these huge mistakes were made anyway? He was diplomatic and a great leader. He needed unity from all parties, and still faced a literally unbeatable foe in England. Me, I tend away from compromise, realizing right and wrong will never meet; but I'm not electable!</p><p></p><p>So for those that don't know, we have been making reparations to NDN's. Cash settlements, as well as business rights and Wildlife privileges bypassing our DNR. A terrible shame is that the worst wildlife violations in my great wilderness are committed by NDN's, (who were never warred against nor kicked off their land here) and I think Chiefs should address it rather than US Govt. Specifically, spawning fish are caught and fill dumpsters to overflowing, left to rot. This is not the NDN way! I know it's a backlash to assert dominance over those who need to abide by a fishing license, but I also know if the practice continues steps will be taken by US authorities, who will then mess everything up. This would be what is called a "downward spiral."</p><p></p><p>I hope NDN's can find it within themselves to rise above this ugliness, and utilize their exemption from DNR regs in the spirit it's intended. And I hope our NDN's here will become aware of this, and exert whatever influence you have ...</p><p><img src="/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/old/hug.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":hug:" title="hug :hug:" data-shortname=":hug:" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="razeontherock, post: 55373914, member: 263091"] There are SO many angles to what is a very complex topic! But there's no way around it, we owe both an apology as traitors and a debt of gratitude as foreigners who were treated kindly, and repaid that with evil. And I say that as someone who's Mom's Mom was born on the boat coming over from Northern Europe, and Dad's side of the family migrated here not much before that, from father North. Viking heritage, and conqueror's blood. That is not a good definition of "civilization." While it's true NDN tribes warred against each other, I don't think you'll find much in their history about treaties being made and then broken. Hopefully everyone is aware of actual US History on this matter, and that textbooks candycoat history to make US Gov't artificially smell like a rose? There's no defense for any of that, and it in fact hurt our Nation. You don't need any superstitious "god of the great river will get angry" to realize that we've employed horrible land management technique, and massive flood damage via the Mississippi would've been greatly reduced by slower, more controlled growth of our Nation by honoring the treaties we made w/ NDN's. This is merely one very glaring example, but many more are equally as true! The same thing can be said of slavery, and both issues have in common the other side of the coin: our Founding Fathers (FF) generally were opposed to the actions US winded up taking on both these issues. For example, George Washington himself fought against NDN's and earned quite a reputation and respect amongst them, but he was also very adamant about honoring the treaties we made, on principle. He very much knew they were equals as humans, never considering them savages or any such thing. The reason these huge mistakes were made anyway? He was diplomatic and a great leader. He needed unity from all parties, and still faced a literally unbeatable foe in England. Me, I tend away from compromise, realizing right and wrong will never meet; but I'm not electable! So for those that don't know, we have been making reparations to NDN's. Cash settlements, as well as business rights and Wildlife privileges bypassing our DNR. A terrible shame is that the worst wildlife violations in my great wilderness are committed by NDN's, (who were never warred against nor kicked off their land here) and I think Chiefs should address it rather than US Govt. Specifically, spawning fish are caught and fill dumpsters to overflowing, left to rot. This is not the NDN way! I know it's a backlash to assert dominance over those who need to abide by a fishing license, but I also know if the practice continues steps will be taken by US authorities, who will then mess everything up. This would be what is called a "downward spiral." I hope NDN's can find it within themselves to rise above this ugliness, and utilize their exemption from DNR regs in the spirit it's intended. And I hope our NDN's here will become aware of this, and exert whatever influence you have ... :hug: [/QUOTE]
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