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<blockquote data-quote="oikonomia" data-source="post: 77600320" data-attributes="member: 446265"><p>Yes. </p><p></p><p> Yes.<strong><span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)"> "Life giving Spirit"</span></strong> is a Jesus giving Spirit. Jesus can be given to us. </p><p> <strong><span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)"> "Life giving Spirit"</span> </strong> is a God giving Spirit. Both the Father and the Son can be given to us to make an abode with us.</p><p></p><p> This discussion of His transition from being AMONG men to being IN men is disclosed by Him before His death and resurrection</p><p> in John's Gospel- chapters 14-17.</p><p> </p><p><strong><span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)">And I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Comforter, that He may be with you forever, (John 14:16)</span></strong></p><p><span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)"><strong><em>Even</em> the Spirit of reality, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not behold Him or know <em>Him; but</em> you know Him, because He abides with you and shall be in you. (v.17) </strong></span></p><p><strong><span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)">I will not leave you <em>as</em> orphans; I am coming to you. (v.18) </span></strong></p><p></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)">You see the</span><span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)"><strong> "another Comforter"</strong></span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"> is the first Comforter Jesus in another form.</span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)">When He is sent into us who receive Him, He remains in us for eternity. </span></p><p></p><p>The world cannot see him by their natural means.</p><p> But Jesus said<strong><span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)"> "but you know Him, because He abides with you and shall be in you."</span></strong></p><p>For three and a half years Jesus abode WITH them. Now when He goes into death and comes out in resurrection</p><p>He who was abiding with them (as the first Comforter) will be able to abide IN them (<strong><span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)">as another Comforter</span></strong>),</p><p></p><p>This indwelling "another Comforter" is Jesus of Nazareth in another form as <strong><span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)">"the Spirit of reality".</span></strong></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)">The comfort this one brings will extend unto eternity. </span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)">In verse 18 the</span><span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)"><strong> "He"</strong></span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"> suddenly changes to</span><span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)"><strong> "I".</strong></span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"> The</span><span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)"><strong> "I" </strong></span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)">will not leave the disciples as orphans but it coming TO them.</span></p><p><strong><span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)">I will not leave you <em>as</em> orphans; I am coming to you. (v.18) </span></strong></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)">Jesus Christ would not leave His followers abandoned as orphans. As </span><strong><span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)">"another Comforter" </span></strong><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)">Jesus is coming to us</span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)">if we receive His work and Him. </span></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)">He came to His own, yet those who were His own did not receive Him.</span></strong></p><p><span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)"><strong>But as many as received Him, to them He gave the authority to become children of God, </strong></span></p><p><strong><span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)">to those who believe into His name, (John 1:11,12)</span></strong></p><p></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)">Now you can see why Paul wrote truthfully -</span><strong><span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)"> "the Last Adam became a life giving Spirit". </span></strong></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)">Truthfully in resurrection -</span><strong><span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)"> <strong> I am coming to you.</strong></span></strong></p><p></p><p></p><p> This is not a word salad. But it is in a divine and mystical realm. Let me say more about <strong><span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)">John 14.</span></strong></p><p> Below verse 18 He promises that He will manifest Himself to His lovers, His disciples. And His perplexed disciples</p><p> asked and asked about this manifestation of Himself to them.</p><p> </p><p><strong><span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)">He who has My commandments and keeps them, he is the one who loves Me; and he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and will manifest Myself to him.</span></strong></p><p><span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)"><strong>Judas, not Iscariot, said to Him, Lord, and what has happened that You are to manifest Yourself to us and not to the world?</strong></span></p><p><strong><span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)">Jesus answered and said to him, If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word,<u> and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make an abode with him. (vs. 21-23) </u></span></strong></p><p></p><p>You see He and the Father as the divine <strong><span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)">"We" </span></strong>of the miraculous three-one God will come to us ans make an abode with us who</p><p>receive Him. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p> I think you should not miss out on the enjoyment of the true claims of the New Testament.</p><p> If you have terrible doubts and lots of problems with Christians and with the Bible this is what I suggest.</p><p></p><p> Find some place where you can be alone and pour out your heart to God in gut level honesty all that</p><p> you don't like or believe or find confusing to God. He always accepts an honest heart.</p><p></p><p> If there is an obstacle, a barrier circumventing and obstructing your enjoyment of Jesus Christ, I would </p><p> pour out my heart to God insisting that He show you where the real problem is.</p><p></p><p> Now having said that, I would advize let your pouring out of your starkly honest complaint be</p><p> accompanied with a little thanksgiving. </p><p></p><p> I don't care who you are or what you have been through. Every man or woman can look back</p><p>over their life and find something for which they could pray <strong><em>"Well God, at least I thank You for this." </em></strong></p><p> </p><p> Enter into His gates with thanksgiving and into His court with praise.</p><p> So bring your stark, gut level, down to the nitty gritty objection to God.</p><p> But also bring some thanksgiving. You have somethings you can THANK God for.</p><p> Bring some thankfulness and then pour out your heart's problems (not with me) but with the word of God.</p><p></p><p> You will get some results I do believe. </p><p> [MEDIA=youtube]unExA1Osx1c:1[/MEDIA]</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="oikonomia, post: 77600320, member: 446265"] Yes. Yes.[B][COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)] "Life giving Spirit"[/COLOR][/B] is a Jesus giving Spirit. Jesus can be given to us. [B][COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)] "Life giving Spirit"[/COLOR] [/B] is a God giving Spirit. Both the Father and the Son can be given to us to make an abode with us. This discussion of His transition from being AMONG men to being IN men is disclosed by Him before His death and resurrection in John's Gospel- chapters 14-17. [B][COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]And I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Comforter, that He may be with you forever, (John 14:16)[/COLOR][/B] [COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)][B][I]Even[/I] the Spirit of reality, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not behold Him or know [I]Him; but[/I] you know Him, because He abides with you and shall be in you. (v.17) [/B][/COLOR] [B][COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]I will not leave you [I]as[/I] orphans; I am coming to you. (v.18) [/COLOR][/B] [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]You see the[/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)][B] "another Comforter"[/B][/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)] is the first Comforter Jesus in another form. When He is sent into us who receive Him, He remains in us for eternity. [/COLOR] The world cannot see him by their natural means. But Jesus said[B][COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)] "but you know Him, because He abides with you and shall be in you."[/COLOR][/B] For three and a half years Jesus abode WITH them. Now when He goes into death and comes out in resurrection He who was abiding with them (as the first Comforter) will be able to abide IN them ([B][COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]as another Comforter[/COLOR][/B]), This indwelling "another Comforter" is Jesus of Nazareth in another form as [B][COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]"the Spirit of reality".[/COLOR][/B] [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]The comfort this one brings will extend unto eternity. In verse 18 the[/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)][B] "He"[/B][/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)] suddenly changes to[/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)][B] "I".[/B][/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)] The[/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)][B] "I" [/B][/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]will not leave the disciples as orphans but it coming TO them.[/COLOR] [B][COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]I will not leave you [I]as[/I] orphans; I am coming to you. (v.18) [/COLOR][/B] [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]Jesus Christ would not leave His followers abandoned as orphans. As [/COLOR][B][COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]"another Comforter" [/COLOR][/B][COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]Jesus is coming to us if we receive His work and Him. [/COLOR] [B][COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]He came to His own, yet those who were His own did not receive Him.[/COLOR][/B] [COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)][B]But as many as received Him, to them He gave the authority to become children of God, [/B][/COLOR] [B][COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]to those who believe into His name, (John 1:11,12)[/COLOR][/B] [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]Now you can see why Paul wrote truthfully -[/COLOR][B][COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)] "the Last Adam became a life giving Spirit". [/COLOR][/B] [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]Truthfully in resurrection -[/COLOR][B][COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)] [B] I am coming to you.[/B][/COLOR][/B] [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)][/COLOR] This is not a word salad. But it is in a divine and mystical realm. Let me say more about [B][COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]John 14.[/COLOR][/B] Below verse 18 He promises that He will manifest Himself to His lovers, His disciples. And His perplexed disciples asked and asked about this manifestation of Himself to them. [B][COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]He who has My commandments and keeps them, he is the one who loves Me; and he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and will manifest Myself to him.[/COLOR][/B] [COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)][B]Judas, not Iscariot, said to Him, Lord, and what has happened that You are to manifest Yourself to us and not to the world?[/B][/COLOR] [B][COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]Jesus answered and said to him, If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word,[U] and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make an abode with him. (vs. 21-23) [/U][/COLOR][/B] You see He and the Father as the divine [B][COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]"We" [/COLOR][/B]of the miraculous three-one God will come to us ans make an abode with us who receive Him. [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)][/COLOR] I think you should not miss out on the enjoyment of the true claims of the New Testament. If you have terrible doubts and lots of problems with Christians and with the Bible this is what I suggest. Find some place where you can be alone and pour out your heart to God in gut level honesty all that you don't like or believe or find confusing to God. He always accepts an honest heart. If there is an obstacle, a barrier circumventing and obstructing your enjoyment of Jesus Christ, I would pour out my heart to God insisting that He show you where the real problem is. Now having said that, I would advize let your pouring out of your starkly honest complaint be accompanied with a little thanksgiving. I don't care who you are or what you have been through. Every man or woman can look back over their life and find something for which they could pray [B][I]"Well God, at least I thank You for this." [/I][/B] Enter into His gates with thanksgiving and into His court with praise. So bring your stark, gut level, down to the nitty gritty objection to God. But also bring some thanksgiving. You have somethings you can THANK God for. Bring some thankfulness and then pour out your heart's problems (not with me) but with the word of God. You will get some results I do believe. [MEDIA=youtube]unExA1Osx1c:1[/MEDIA] [/QUOTE]
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