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Pro-Palestinian supporters at Columbia University confront Jews ‘to push them out of camp’
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<blockquote data-quote="stevevw" data-source="post: 77685131" data-attributes="member: 342064"><p>Actually I said Jews were not allowed to pray at the Temple Mount. Yes the Isreali government have denied their own people to pray at the Temple mount so as to keep the peace. They were willing to sacrifice their own rights for the sake of keeping the peace. I don't think the Muslims would even entertain such ideas of compromise especially to the Jews.</p><p></p><p><em><span style="color: rgb(84, 172, 210)">Jewish visitors are allowed to visit the Temple Mount during certain times, but are not permitted to pray there, in order to avoid provoking interreligious conflict. </span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: rgb(84, 172, 210)">[URL unfurl="true"]https://www.ajc.org/news/what-to-know-about-jerusalems-temple-mount-and-the-status-quo-agreement#:~:text=Jewish%20visitors%20are%20allowed%20to,to%20avoid%20provoking%20interreligious%20conflict.[/URL]</span></em></p><p></p><p>Ok so what about Christ. Is Christ also in the grave awaiting the day of judgement or does Islam teach that Christ sits with the Father and is the Judge of all those waiting in the graves including Muhummad.</p><p></p><p>In the presence of God like Elijah but not seated at the right hand of God as God Himself. They relegate Christ as another prophet and not as God Himself.</p><p></p><p>I am not sure what you mean by "unlike Muhammad. Isn't the Koran and Islam inspired by Muhammad.</p><p></p><p>Yes raised up like everyone else including the great Phophets. But Christ has already been raised up when he was raised from the dead and will not only defeat the antichrist but will be the Judge of all.</p><p></p><p>This is the deception that Islam have conjured. They give Christ some special status as an ordinary man but not as God and switch the status from God to Holy man as a Prophet like the other Prophests. But then thats really no different to atheists admitting there was a great prophet and religious teacher in a man called Christ while denying His Godly status.</p><p></p><p>Of course they are going to say this. The aim is to denounce Jesus status as the Son of God who was raised from the dead, to defeat death and sin. This is the core of Christian belief and central to Gods promise and prophesy to send a saviour, Messiah from the line of Kind David who would be slaughtered like a lamb in sacrifice but would then rise again 3 days later.</p><p></p><p>By denying this status they have to also create a narrative that Christ was not killed. Otherwise if He was killed he could not be taken up to Heaven as the Koran says. If He was killed and then rose again this would confirm His status as Christians have witnessed at that time.</p><p></p><p>In other words they are not only denying Christs status they also have to deny the New Testament and Gospels as liars and frauds. That is why many islamist as passionately against acknowledging Christs status as its a direct threat to their own teachings.</p><p></p><p>Yes they acknowledge Christ but they deny the most central and powerful point about Christ. That is the problem. No amount of attributing greatness to Christ as an ordinary man (son of Mary) will substitute for denting CHrist status as (Son of God). Thats why they keep repeating the phrase "son of Mary" to create the narrative he was just son of humans and not the Son of God.</p><p></p><p>Thats good because Muhammad was not an ideal person to be compared to even for a holy man. But like I said the whole point was to deny Christs status. They had no choice but to acknowledge Christ as a great man because of the influence He had on people around the world at that time and the stories of His life were still strong in the narratives told.</p><p></p><p>So they substituted this by making out Christ was great but not so great that they deny the most important part of His Status because that conflicted with their own narrative that there is only one God Allah and he has no son.</p><p></p><p>The many platitudes they give Christ don't make up for the denial of the central importance of Christ being the Son of God who died and rose again for our sins. That Christ is the Word and that all things, all Creation, everything was made through Him and nothing would exist if not through Christ.</p><p></p><p>And who is the Holy Spirit but Christs spirit, Gods spirit who came to us after Christs ressurrection and accended into Heaven. We can only have the Holy Spirit if Christ was crucified and rose again from the grave</p><p></p><p><strong>John 14:15-18</strong>. <em><span style="color: rgb(84, 172, 210)">“'These things I have spoken to you while being present with you. But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you. '” </span></em></p><p></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)">And what was the Holy Spirit but the bearer and witness of Christs truth as being the way, truth and life and that no one comes to the Father except through Christ. That you must believe and accept Christ as Lord and saviour to be Born again of the spirit. Islam also denies the Trinity of God in that God, Christ and the Holy Spirit are one and the same God. </span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)">Islam is more or less plagiarizing the Bible, Christs own words and then changing it to suit the creation of their own religion. </span></p><p></p><p><a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts+2%3A33&version=ESV" target="_blank">Acts 2:33</a></p><p><em><span style="color: rgb(84, 172, 210)">Being therefore exalted at the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, he has poured out this that you yourselves are seeing and hearing.</span></em></p><p></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)">Ironically Islam and the Koran also teaches that what the Bible says is true and that Christian should abide by what God has sent to them. </span></p><p></p><p><em><span style="color: rgb(84, 172, 210)">“Let the people of the Gospel judge by what God has sent down in it” </span></em>(Qur'an 5:47).</p><p>and Verse 6:115 <em><span style="color: rgb(84, 172, 210)"> T<em>he</em> word of your Lord is perfect, no one can change His words and He is the hearing and Knowing.</span></em></p><p>Verse (5:47) <em><span style="color: rgb(84, 172, 210)">and the followers of the Injeel (Gospels) should have judged by what Allah revealed in it; and whoever did not judge by what Allah revealed, those are they that are the transgressors.</span></em></p><p></p><p>So even the Koran says Christs words are Truth and should be followed otherwise Christians are sinners. Muslims should be supporting the Bible not denouncing and changing it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="stevevw, post: 77685131, member: 342064"] Actually I said Jews were not allowed to pray at the Temple Mount. Yes the Isreali government have denied their own people to pray at the Temple mount so as to keep the peace. They were willing to sacrifice their own rights for the sake of keeping the peace. I don't think the Muslims would even entertain such ideas of compromise especially to the Jews. [I][COLOR=rgb(84, 172, 210)]Jewish visitors are allowed to visit the Temple Mount during certain times, but are not permitted to pray there, in order to avoid provoking interreligious conflict. [URL unfurl="true"]https://www.ajc.org/news/what-to-know-about-jerusalems-temple-mount-and-the-status-quo-agreement#:~:text=Jewish%20visitors%20are%20allowed%20to,to%20avoid%20provoking%20interreligious%20conflict.[/URL][/COLOR][/I] Ok so what about Christ. Is Christ also in the grave awaiting the day of judgement or does Islam teach that Christ sits with the Father and is the Judge of all those waiting in the graves including Muhummad. In the presence of God like Elijah but not seated at the right hand of God as God Himself. They relegate Christ as another prophet and not as God Himself. I am not sure what you mean by "unlike Muhammad. Isn't the Koran and Islam inspired by Muhammad. Yes raised up like everyone else including the great Phophets. But Christ has already been raised up when he was raised from the dead and will not only defeat the antichrist but will be the Judge of all. This is the deception that Islam have conjured. They give Christ some special status as an ordinary man but not as God and switch the status from God to Holy man as a Prophet like the other Prophests. But then thats really no different to atheists admitting there was a great prophet and religious teacher in a man called Christ while denying His Godly status. Of course they are going to say this. The aim is to denounce Jesus status as the Son of God who was raised from the dead, to defeat death and sin. This is the core of Christian belief and central to Gods promise and prophesy to send a saviour, Messiah from the line of Kind David who would be slaughtered like a lamb in sacrifice but would then rise again 3 days later. By denying this status they have to also create a narrative that Christ was not killed. Otherwise if He was killed he could not be taken up to Heaven as the Koran says. If He was killed and then rose again this would confirm His status as Christians have witnessed at that time. In other words they are not only denying Christs status they also have to deny the New Testament and Gospels as liars and frauds. That is why many islamist as passionately against acknowledging Christs status as its a direct threat to their own teachings. Yes they acknowledge Christ but they deny the most central and powerful point about Christ. That is the problem. No amount of attributing greatness to Christ as an ordinary man (son of Mary) will substitute for denting CHrist status as (Son of God). Thats why they keep repeating the phrase "son of Mary" to create the narrative he was just son of humans and not the Son of God. Thats good because Muhammad was not an ideal person to be compared to even for a holy man. But like I said the whole point was to deny Christs status. They had no choice but to acknowledge Christ as a great man because of the influence He had on people around the world at that time and the stories of His life were still strong in the narratives told. So they substituted this by making out Christ was great but not so great that they deny the most important part of His Status because that conflicted with their own narrative that there is only one God Allah and he has no son. The many platitudes they give Christ don't make up for the denial of the central importance of Christ being the Son of God who died and rose again for our sins. That Christ is the Word and that all things, all Creation, everything was made through Him and nothing would exist if not through Christ. And who is the Holy Spirit but Christs spirit, Gods spirit who came to us after Christs ressurrection and accended into Heaven. We can only have the Holy Spirit if Christ was crucified and rose again from the grave [B]John 14:15-18[/B]. [I][COLOR=rgb(84, 172, 210)]“'These things I have spoken to you while being present with you. But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you. '” [/COLOR][/I] [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]And what was the Holy Spirit but the bearer and witness of Christs truth as being the way, truth and life and that no one comes to the Father except through Christ. That you must believe and accept Christ as Lord and saviour to be Born again of the spirit. Islam also denies the Trinity of God in that God, Christ and the Holy Spirit are one and the same God. Islam is more or less plagiarizing the Bible, Christs own words and then changing it to suit the creation of their own religion. [/COLOR] [URL='https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts+2%3A33&version=ESV']Acts 2:33[/URL] [I][COLOR=rgb(84, 172, 210)]Being therefore exalted at the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, he has poured out this that you yourselves are seeing and hearing.[/COLOR][/I] [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]Ironically Islam and the Koran also teaches that what the Bible says is true and that Christian should abide by what God has sent to them. [/COLOR] [I][COLOR=rgb(84, 172, 210)]“Let the people of the Gospel judge by what God has sent down in it” [/COLOR][/I](Qur'an 5:47). and Verse 6:115 [I][COLOR=rgb(84, 172, 210)] T[I]he[/I] word of your Lord is perfect, no one can change His words and He is the hearing and Knowing.[/COLOR][/I] Verse (5:47) [I][COLOR=rgb(84, 172, 210)]and the followers of the Injeel (Gospels) should have judged by what Allah revealed in it; and whoever did not judge by what Allah revealed, those are they that are the transgressors.[/COLOR][/I] So even the Koran says Christs words are Truth and should be followed otherwise Christians are sinners. Muslims should be supporting the Bible not denouncing and changing it. [/QUOTE]
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