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<blockquote data-quote="Bradskii" data-source="post: 77684854" data-attributes="member: 412388"><p>Him and many others. You should not be taking the position that 'This guy wrote a book and now we're supposed to believe that there's no free will'. That's a pretty narrow view of the discussion. There's a boat load of literature challenging the idea yet you seem determined to ignore it. Because...well, it's 'self evident'. I'm afraid that's the only position you've presented so far so I haven't had much to argue against. Oh, plus the risible 'you're an atheist so you must think there's no free will'.</p><p></p><p>So let's do it. We'll use one of the links you gave to a paper that we can actually access: <a href="https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/cogs.12372" target="_blank">https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/cogs.12372</a></p><p></p><p>Please let me know exactly what you think is in that paper that supports the position that free will exists. It discusses what people <em>believe </em>in various situations as regards compatibilism or incompatibilism so you'll be hard pressed to find anything, but you've tossed it out as a case for the prosecution, so let's examine it.</p><p></p><p>Before we start a deep dive into examining any evidence that it exists in a way that might affect one's decision making abilities, could you explain how random events are applicable to the idea of free will?</p><p></p><p>If you're going to make up what I've written then maybe you should write my posts for me. It'll save us some time. No, I did not 'imply' any such thing. I said what I meant and meant what I said. That low blood sugar affects your moods. No-one said or implied that it's the only variable. My blood sugar is fine but my mood is frustration at the moment having to point out that you are literally making things up. Please stop.</p><p></p><p>The fact that it's a perfectly understood and non controversial statement shows some desperation that you'd even try to counter it. With a paper that doesn't even address it.</p><p></p><p>Maybe you don't know what ego depletion is. From wiki: '<strong>Ego depletion</strong> is the controversial idea that <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-control" target="_blank">self-control</a> or <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-control" target="_blank">willpower</a> draws upon a limited pool of mental resources that can be used up (with the word "ego" used in the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Id,_ego_and_super-ego" target="_blank">psychoanalytic sense</a> rather than the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egotism" target="_blank">colloquial sense</a>). That paper has nothing to do with hypoglycaemia <em>at all</em>.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Bradskii, post: 77684854, member: 412388"] Him and many others. You should not be taking the position that 'This guy wrote a book and now we're supposed to believe that there's no free will'. That's a pretty narrow view of the discussion. There's a boat load of literature challenging the idea yet you seem determined to ignore it. Because...well, it's 'self evident'. I'm afraid that's the only position you've presented so far so I haven't had much to argue against. Oh, plus the risible 'you're an atheist so you must think there's no free will'. So let's do it. We'll use one of the links you gave to a paper that we can actually access: [URL]https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/cogs.12372[/URL] Please let me know exactly what you think is in that paper that supports the position that free will exists. It discusses what people [I]believe [/I]in various situations as regards compatibilism or incompatibilism so you'll be hard pressed to find anything, but you've tossed it out as a case for the prosecution, so let's examine it. Before we start a deep dive into examining any evidence that it exists in a way that might affect one's decision making abilities, could you explain how random events are applicable to the idea of free will? If you're going to make up what I've written then maybe you should write my posts for me. It'll save us some time. No, I did not 'imply' any such thing. I said what I meant and meant what I said. That low blood sugar affects your moods. No-one said or implied that it's the only variable. My blood sugar is fine but my mood is frustration at the moment having to point out that you are literally making things up. Please stop. The fact that it's a perfectly understood and non controversial statement shows some desperation that you'd even try to counter it. With a paper that doesn't even address it. Maybe you don't know what ego depletion is. From wiki: '[B]Ego depletion[/B] is the controversial idea that [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-control']self-control[/URL] or [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-control']willpower[/URL] draws upon a limited pool of mental resources that can be used up (with the word "ego" used in the [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Id,_ego_and_super-ego']psychoanalytic sense[/URL] rather than the [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egotism']colloquial sense[/URL]). That paper has nothing to do with hypoglycaemia [I]at all[/I]. [/QUOTE]
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