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<blockquote data-quote="Bradskii" data-source="post: 77664456" data-attributes="member: 412388"><p>None of those have been discounted. Chaos is an accepted concept. Probability is not affected in any way. It serves as a means to combat unpredictability. Chance is the same thing. Rarity is neither here nor there. Spontaneity doesn't mean 'without reason' unless it's random. Luck? Seriously? That's just an event that was caused by something other that one's own determination. Hope? Why does determinism stop you hoping? It's just a desire that events will turn out as you'd wish. And anger? Well, this is automatic. It would be nice if we could temper it with a realisation that we can't control some events - and neither can others. </p><p></p><p>All I'm excluding is free will.</p><p></p><p>I didn't say it was. You'd be better off attending to what I actually say. I said that there is an emotional attachment to free will. <em>Exhibited </em>by making a decision (raising one's arm) and declaring that it must therefore exist.</p><p></p><p>It's something of a rarity for anyone to directly address this, but I really do want you to address that missing brick, though. I just want one event from the infinite number you can choose from. You can even make one up if you like. The probability is low, so maybe there's not much of a chance that you'll spontaneously give me one. I may get lucky, but I won't be angry if you don't. More frustrated.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Bradskii, post: 77664456, member: 412388"] None of those have been discounted. Chaos is an accepted concept. Probability is not affected in any way. It serves as a means to combat unpredictability. Chance is the same thing. Rarity is neither here nor there. Spontaneity doesn't mean 'without reason' unless it's random. Luck? Seriously? That's just an event that was caused by something other that one's own determination. Hope? Why does determinism stop you hoping? It's just a desire that events will turn out as you'd wish. And anger? Well, this is automatic. It would be nice if we could temper it with a realisation that we can't control some events - and neither can others. All I'm excluding is free will. I didn't say it was. You'd be better off attending to what I actually say. I said that there is an emotional attachment to free will. [I]Exhibited [/I]by making a decision (raising one's arm) and declaring that it must therefore exist. It's something of a rarity for anyone to directly address this, but I really do want you to address that missing brick, though. I just want one event from the infinite number you can choose from. You can even make one up if you like. The probability is low, so maybe there's not much of a chance that you'll spontaneously give me one. I may get lucky, but I won't be angry if you don't. More frustrated. [/QUOTE]
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