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<blockquote data-quote="2PhiloVoid" data-source="post: 77664233" data-attributes="member: 167101"><p>In my view, for Determinism to become Dogma, I'd have to actually be able to comprehensively identify and know <strong><em><u>ALL</u></em></strong> of the causative factors involved in any one instance, such as when you broke your guitar string and ended up at the croissant shop. In other words, I'm going to come at this like a Modern student of Historiography and Historical accounts, where the debate over the nature of "causation" and its tension with reductionism is central.</p><p></p><p>In my opinion, If we can't account for all of the factors in a given scenario---i.e. in a more or less normal scenario---, and we can't identify which Praxis HAS to take the operative lead in that accounting, then I think it's a bit odd to apply a term [like determinism] that implies that we actually can do so without having done so. And yes, I know, my saying it like this seems to undercut the good ol' notion of Uniformitarianism that we all assume is present in the sciences. But we're just rubbing up against the boundaries of induction and abduction and thinking that by resorting to deduction, we've actually said something not just useful, but very compelling. Unfortunately, I don't go in much for mere deductive reasoning, so I don't find those sorts of arguments compelling all that often.</p><p></p><p>Did you by chance catch those threads I made recently on the problem with deduction and also the problem of the criterion? I think those sorts of philosophical problems put a catch in the middle of all of this talk about free-will and determinism. And for this existential reason, I have to play the role of 'the Jerk.'</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="2PhiloVoid, post: 77664233, member: 167101"] In my view, for Determinism to become Dogma, I'd have to actually be able to comprehensively identify and know [B][I][U]ALL[/U][/I][/B] of the causative factors involved in any one instance, such as when you broke your guitar string and ended up at the croissant shop. In other words, I'm going to come at this like a Modern student of Historiography and Historical accounts, where the debate over the nature of "causation" and its tension with reductionism is central. In my opinion, If we can't account for all of the factors in a given scenario---i.e. in a more or less normal scenario---, and we can't identify which Praxis HAS to take the operative lead in that accounting, then I think it's a bit odd to apply a term [like determinism] that implies that we actually can do so without having done so. And yes, I know, my saying it like this seems to undercut the good ol' notion of Uniformitarianism that we all assume is present in the sciences. But we're just rubbing up against the boundaries of induction and abduction and thinking that by resorting to deduction, we've actually said something not just useful, but very compelling. Unfortunately, I don't go in much for mere deductive reasoning, so I don't find those sorts of arguments compelling all that often. Did you by chance catch those threads I made recently on the problem with deduction and also the problem of the criterion? I think those sorts of philosophical problems put a catch in the middle of all of this talk about free-will and determinism. And for this existential reason, I have to play the role of 'the Jerk.' [/QUOTE]
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