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<blockquote data-quote="zippy2006" data-source="post: 77663771" data-attributes="member: 342410"><p>More simply, my suggestion is that if we are careful with what we mean by "true" or "knowledge," then I do not think we will be able to say that determinism is true or can be known. What is likely happening with those who promote determinism is that they are adverting to somewhat strange views of truth or knowledge.</p><p></p><p>The more accessible and less rigorous way to see this is to simply note that it is impossible to affirm hard determinism in a practical sense. Hard determinists are therefore liable to say, "Well I believe that hard determinism is true, but I just have no ability to act upon my belief." It must at least be admitted that it is very odd to say that one believes that X is true if they are forced, every minute of their life, to assume that X is false. Simpler: we must act as if free will exists. This does not prove that free will exists, but it does show that there is something farcical or "academic" in claiming that free will does not exist. If someone cannot act on their belief then I am left to wonder whether they actually believe it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="zippy2006, post: 77663771, member: 342410"] More simply, my suggestion is that if we are careful with what we mean by "true" or "knowledge," then I do not think we will be able to say that determinism is true or can be known. What is likely happening with those who promote determinism is that they are adverting to somewhat strange views of truth or knowledge. The more accessible and less rigorous way to see this is to simply note that it is impossible to affirm hard determinism in a practical sense. Hard determinists are therefore liable to say, "Well I believe that hard determinism is true, but I just have no ability to act upon my belief." It must at least be admitted that it is very odd to say that one believes that X is true if they are forced, every minute of their life, to assume that X is false. Simpler: we must act as if free will exists. This does not prove that free will exists, but it does show that there is something farcical or "academic" in claiming that free will does not exist. If someone cannot act on their belief then I am left to wonder whether they actually believe it. [/QUOTE]
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