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Could Vienna’s approach to affordable housing work in California?
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<blockquote data-quote="Hans Blaster" data-source="post: 77668071" data-attributes="member: 396028"><p>Umm. Wait, how many Euro social programs were discussed in this thread anyway. I only recall your injection of Finnish higher education (that's where I came in properly).</p><p></p><p>As you may have noticed, political platforms and campaigns tend to be rather thin on fine details (or sometimes any details at all) nor are the voters particularly interested in them. I don't think the voters are necessarily wrong. We don't have a parliament or strong party system, so any package is going to have to be negotiated after they are in office, not before in the party manifesto, and there is no point making vary specific promises and potentially getting opposition for very specific things that will likely not be included after negotiations.</p><p></p><p>I don't know what "sustainable" means in this context. The big issue for continuation of new programs is funding and we all know how both sides like to go after the funding for the other's pet projects once power swaps.</p><p></p><p>Any actual plan of such sorts is always going to be in the American style: new scope to old programs, more money for old programs, new pilot programs, block grants, tax incentives, industry subsidies, etc. A national housing (especially boosting public housing) isn't going to address the core problems in housing availability in our cites like zoning.</p><p></p><p>I'm not sure how many of them would have even heard of the "Vienna model". I've seen lots of references to European social programs and policies and never heard of the "Vienna model" for housing until this very thread. (And given the number of distractions in the thread, I'm not quite sure what it really is either.)</p><p></p><p>Not sure what immigration has to do with this. Most US social welfare programs are only open to US citizens and permanent residents only anyway.</p><p></p><p>We are talking about government provided housing. I don't know why anyone would think it would be "fancy".</p><p></p><p>The walkability of cities is largely tied to how much development and growth occurred before and after the availability of cars.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hans Blaster, post: 77668071, member: 396028"] Umm. Wait, how many Euro social programs were discussed in this thread anyway. I only recall your injection of Finnish higher education (that's where I came in properly). As you may have noticed, political platforms and campaigns tend to be rather thin on fine details (or sometimes any details at all) nor are the voters particularly interested in them. I don't think the voters are necessarily wrong. We don't have a parliament or strong party system, so any package is going to have to be negotiated after they are in office, not before in the party manifesto, and there is no point making vary specific promises and potentially getting opposition for very specific things that will likely not be included after negotiations. I don't know what "sustainable" means in this context. The big issue for continuation of new programs is funding and we all know how both sides like to go after the funding for the other's pet projects once power swaps. Any actual plan of such sorts is always going to be in the American style: new scope to old programs, more money for old programs, new pilot programs, block grants, tax incentives, industry subsidies, etc. A national housing (especially boosting public housing) isn't going to address the core problems in housing availability in our cites like zoning. I'm not sure how many of them would have even heard of the "Vienna model". I've seen lots of references to European social programs and policies and never heard of the "Vienna model" for housing until this very thread. (And given the number of distractions in the thread, I'm not quite sure what it really is either.) Not sure what immigration has to do with this. Most US social welfare programs are only open to US citizens and permanent residents only anyway. We are talking about government provided housing. I don't know why anyone would think it would be "fancy". The walkability of cities is largely tied to how much development and growth occurred before and after the availability of cars. [/QUOTE]
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