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Can a skeptic on the fence have a personal encounter with God?
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<blockquote data-quote="SkepticOnTheFence" data-source="post: 77449476" data-attributes="member: 448937"><p>I'm a bit skeptical of the "logic" behind this claim. If God exists, it seems to me that He is the kind of God that enjoys designing systems that are governed by laws. I don't see why the spiritual realm would be any different. Therefore, it would follow that the process by which human beings can experience the supernatural would also be governed by laws. In fact, I even see evidence of this in the Bible itself. For instance, there are demons that cannot be cast out without prayer and fasting. That sounds like a spiritual law. Or Jesus having to fast for 40 days in order to unleash the power of the Spirit. Sounds like some spiritual laws were in operation there. If the spiritual realm is governed by rules, and if you want to call that a "formula", that's fine, but I fail to see why that would be problematic at all.</p><p></p><p>I would buy your objection if you were to show somehow that the spiritual realm doesn't work according to rules/laws.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I fail to see how this would be incompatible with expecting the supernatural to manifest under certain conditions. Please, help me out to see the contradiction, because I don't see it.</p><p></p><p></p><p>But that's just not what I see in lots of testimonies. It sounds like you are encouraging me to dismiss contemporary testimonies. But that kind of epistemology can easily lead to dismissing 1st century testimonies as well, which is self-refuting (from a Christian perspective). Of course, atheists would be happy to concede your skepticism, but that's precisely not the point. I want to become a Christian and I want to find the Christian God, so entertaining an atheistic epistemology is not helpful.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="SkepticOnTheFence, post: 77449476, member: 448937"] I'm a bit skeptical of the "logic" behind this claim. If God exists, it seems to me that He is the kind of God that enjoys designing systems that are governed by laws. I don't see why the spiritual realm would be any different. Therefore, it would follow that the process by which human beings can experience the supernatural would also be governed by laws. In fact, I even see evidence of this in the Bible itself. For instance, there are demons that cannot be cast out without prayer and fasting. That sounds like a spiritual law. Or Jesus having to fast for 40 days in order to unleash the power of the Spirit. Sounds like some spiritual laws were in operation there. If the spiritual realm is governed by rules, and if you want to call that a "formula", that's fine, but I fail to see why that would be problematic at all. I would buy your objection if you were to show somehow that the spiritual realm doesn't work according to rules/laws. I fail to see how this would be incompatible with expecting the supernatural to manifest under certain conditions. Please, help me out to see the contradiction, because I don't see it. But that's just not what I see in lots of testimonies. It sounds like you are encouraging me to dismiss contemporary testimonies. But that kind of epistemology can easily lead to dismissing 1st century testimonies as well, which is self-refuting (from a Christian perspective). Of course, atheists would be happy to concede your skepticism, but that's precisely not the point. I want to become a Christian and I want to find the Christian God, so entertaining an atheistic epistemology is not helpful. [/QUOTE]
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