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Struggles by Non-Christians
Can a skeptic on the fence have a personal encounter with God?
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<blockquote data-quote="SkepticOnTheFence" data-source="post: 77438526" data-attributes="member: 448937"><p>Because both Alex and I, as far as I can tell, currently share the belief that a religious experience appears to be the most promising (and perhaps the only) means for us to convert to Christianity, a belief which is informed by a vast amount of conversion testimonies. The only alternative to this that I'm aware of is being convinced through purely intellectual arguments, but as Alex eloquently put it, hardly ever do you hear that someone suddenly dropped to their knees after reading a syllogism that they found particularly compelling.</p><p></p><p></p><p>They explicitly discuss divine hiddenness from 1:49 to 5:00. Alex actually cites J. L. Schellenger at 2:17. But yeah, my bad for not making this explicitly clear in my previous post.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Now you are confusing me. At one point you talked about "Christianity" (which I asked you to define in more precise terms), but now you are talking about a "wider scope of engagement with the question we all have"? Could you please clarify your terms? Are you suggesting that <em>"Christianity"</em> = <em>"wider scope of engagement with the question we all have"</em>? If so, why not label that as "open-mindedness"? Why use a loaded term like <em>"Christianity" </em>that has so many connotations depending on the denomination providing the definition when there are less loaded terms to convey the same idea? I know I asked several questions here, so I would appreciate it if you could answer them one by one.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Well, that's not an entirely unreasonable expectation if you consider many conversion stories, including many in the Bible itself.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And how do you propose to do that? Any concrete, actionable steps?</p><p></p><p></p><p>I'm not currently struggling with the problem of evil. I think you mistakenly got that impression from the video clip of the discussion between Alex O'Connor and Trent Horn that I shared. I shared that video in response to your comments about Divine Hiddenness, which the video addresses from 1:49 to 5:00. In that sense, it would be fair to say that the problem of Divine Hiddenness is my main stumbling block at the moment in what could become my eventual conversion to Christianity. Primarily because I strongly believe that the opposite -- a divine <em>encounter --</em> would tremendously facilitate my conversion, which, again, is an idea supported by lots of conversion stories, both within and outside the Bible.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="SkepticOnTheFence, post: 77438526, member: 448937"] Because both Alex and I, as far as I can tell, currently share the belief that a religious experience appears to be the most promising (and perhaps the only) means for us to convert to Christianity, a belief which is informed by a vast amount of conversion testimonies. The only alternative to this that I'm aware of is being convinced through purely intellectual arguments, but as Alex eloquently put it, hardly ever do you hear that someone suddenly dropped to their knees after reading a syllogism that they found particularly compelling. They explicitly discuss divine hiddenness from 1:49 to 5:00. Alex actually cites J. L. Schellenger at 2:17. But yeah, my bad for not making this explicitly clear in my previous post. Now you are confusing me. At one point you talked about "Christianity" (which I asked you to define in more precise terms), but now you are talking about a "wider scope of engagement with the question we all have"? Could you please clarify your terms? Are you suggesting that [I]"Christianity"[/I] = [I]"wider scope of engagement with the question we all have"[/I]? If so, why not label that as "open-mindedness"? Why use a loaded term like [I]"Christianity" [/I]that has so many connotations depending on the denomination providing the definition when there are less loaded terms to convey the same idea? I know I asked several questions here, so I would appreciate it if you could answer them one by one. Well, that's not an entirely unreasonable expectation if you consider many conversion stories, including many in the Bible itself. And how do you propose to do that? Any concrete, actionable steps? I'm not currently struggling with the problem of evil. I think you mistakenly got that impression from the video clip of the discussion between Alex O'Connor and Trent Horn that I shared. I shared that video in response to your comments about Divine Hiddenness, which the video addresses from 1:49 to 5:00. In that sense, it would be fair to say that the problem of Divine Hiddenness is my main stumbling block at the moment in what could become my eventual conversion to Christianity. Primarily because I strongly believe that the opposite -- a divine [I]encounter --[/I] would tremendously facilitate my conversion, which, again, is an idea supported by lots of conversion stories, both within and outside the Bible. [/QUOTE]
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