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    VOTE HOW MANY BELIEVE IN A PRE TRIBULATION HOPE/RAPTURE ?

    Julie, not every verse has all the details about what a verse is about. Let’s look at 1 Cor 15:52 (NIV): in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. Clearly, that verse is referring to 1...
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    VOTE HOW MANY BELIEVE IN A PRE TRIBULATION HOPE/RAPTURE ?

    You have failed to prove less than 100% of the dead in Christ are raised in 1 Th 4:16. Jerusalem is never mentioned in 1 Th 4. You are adding to Scripture. You fail to answer “Where is Jesus now?” in relation to John 14:3. You are running from tough questions.
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    VOTE HOW MANY BELIEVE IN A PRE TRIBULATION HOPE/RAPTURE ?

    The context of 1 Peter 4 is about the daily trials and tribulation of the Christian life, especially as a disciple.
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    VOTE HOW MANY BELIEVE IN A PRE TRIBULATION HOPE/RAPTURE ?

    Rev 20:4 is about the second group of the GM. Both groups are resurrected together in the last sentence of verse 4. They appear next in Rev 7:9-17, in Heaven. Rev 20:5 is about “the rest of the dead.” Those are very disrespectful words about those who died in sin. There are no believers in...
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    VOTE HOW MANY BELIEVE IN A PRE TRIBULATION HOPE/RAPTURE ?

    Death will be no more after Death and Hades are thrown into the lake of fire (Rev 20:14). That has nothing to do with disproving the pre-Trib ralpture, The folks in Hades died in sin. 1 Cor 15:50-55 prove that some transformation of a Christian’s body is necessary to live in Heaven. That is...
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    VOTE HOW MANY BELIEVE IN A PRE TRIBULATION HOPE/RAPTURE ?

    Keras, you are not understanding 1 Th 4:16-17. In v16, the dead in Christ are raised. That means every dead Christian in all of history. V17 then means all living believers join with the raised dead in Christ in being gathered to Jesus, in the air. That is when Jesus’ words in Johm 14:3 are...
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    VOTE HOW MANY BELIEVE IN A PRE TRIBULATION HOPE/RAPTURE ?

    Every verse that you cite to allegedly disprove the pre-Trib rapture, always has a context that proves you wrong.
  8. J

    VOTE HOW MANY BELIEVE IN A PRE TRIBULATION HOPE/RAPTURE ?

    Romans 2 exhorts folks who seek to judge other folks, much like you frequently indulge in, with me.
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    VOTE HOW MANY BELIEVE IN A PRE TRIBULATION HOPE/RAPTURE ?

    For any word or phrase in the Bible, context is everything. 1 Th 4:16-17 dominate the context on 1 Th 4. Those two verses are so significant, they prophesy the next return of Jesus will be exclusively for the pre-Trib rapture. Acts 1:11 does not involve location. It’s only about the way Jesus...
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    VOTE HOW MANY BELIEVE IN A PRE TRIBULATION HOPE/RAPTURE ?

    The Second Coming is the second and final coming by Jesus Christ to prove that He is the King of kings and Lord of lords. 1 Th 1:10 (NIV): and to wait for His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead, even Jesus who delivers us from the wrath to come. “Delivers us" in 1 Th 1:10 means we...
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    VOTE HOW MANY BELIEVE IN A PRE TRIBULATION HOPE/RAPTURE ?

    The first two verses below prove that no believers enter the Trib. The saints in the Trib are new converts by the extraordinary work of the 144k and 2W — protected servants of God. Rev 6:10 (ESV): They cried out with a loud voice, “O Sovereign Lord, holy and true, how long before you will judge...
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    VOTE HOW MANY BELIEVE IN A PRE TRIBULATION HOPE/RAPTURE ?

    Isaiah refers to chariots. None are cited in the Trib. Isaiah’s prediction has therefore occurred long ago. Hebrews 10:27 (NIV): but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God. Romans 2:1-4 (NIV): You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass...
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    VOTE HOW MANY BELIEVE IN A PRE TRIBULATION HOPE/RAPTURE ?

    You seek to make a liar of Jesus. He said in Rev 3:10, “I will keep you from the hour of trial.” That means we will not enter the Trib.
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    VOTE HOW MANY BELIEVE IN A PRE TRIBULATION HOPE/RAPTURE ?

    1 Peter 4:12, as the context of 1 Peter 4 will prove, is about daily trials and tribulation. It has no connection to the Trib. You will, of course disagree. Prove it! Show its connection to Rev 6 by citing the relevant verses in each.
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    VOTE HOW MANY BELIEVE IN A PRE TRIBULATION HOPE/RAPTURE ?

    1 Th 4:17 is the rapture verse. We meet Jesus in the air, behind heavenly clouds. No unbelievers can see Jesus. That then triggers John 14:2-3, and off to Heaven we go. This isn’t opinion; it’s Scriptural facts. The pre-Trib timing of the rapture is in 1 Th 1:10, Ezekiel 14:21 and Rev 6:4.
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    VOTE HOW MANY BELIEVE IN A PRE TRIBULATION HOPE/RAPTURE ?

    Your biblical evidence for Jesus touching down on Mount Olives is for the MK. That is well after Matt 24:31. You can’t match time and purpose to each trumpet. Location is never stated in Acts 1:9-11.
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    VOTE HOW MANY BELIEVE IN A PRE TRIBULATION HOPE/RAPTURE ?

    Only living folks are gathered by the trumpet in Matt 24:31, 40-41. Here’s Matt 24:31 ( ESV): 31 And he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. Here are Matt 24:40-41 (ESV): Then two men will be...
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    VOTE HOW MANY BELIEVE IN A PRE TRIBULATION HOPE/RAPTURE ?

    A trumpet sound to raise the dead in Christ versus a trumpet blast to send out angels to gather the elect worldwide are two different purposes. There’s no way to logically claim they match. You are adding to Acts 1:11. There’s no mention of “place” or “location.” That verse says “in the same...
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    VOTE HOW MANY BELIEVE IN A PRE TRIBULATION HOPE/RAPTURE ?

    The purpose for each trumpet in Matt 24:31 and 1 Th 4:16 do not match. Each trumpet is sounded only once. They each serve a different event. Acts 1:11 requires that Jesus will next descend into the view of believers, only. 1 Th 4:17 proves He will do exactly that. The 2A begins in Matt 24:30...
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    VOTE HOW MANY BELIEVE IN A PRE TRIBULATION HOPE/RAPTURE ?

    In Matt 24:30, Jesus is on clouds and in view of the entire world. Jesus is also not by Himself. In Matt 24:31, angels are immediately dispatched. In 1 Th 4:16, Jesus is by himself and there’s no proof He is seen by anyone on Earth. 1 Th 4:16 has a trumpet sound. The stated purpose of that...