The scariest thing about God

Diamond7 · May 4, 2024

Gary K said:
Jesus didn't die to save us?

He died to save us from ourselves and to set us free from sin.

Jesus Himself says in the sermon on the mount.

The Fulfillment of the Law
…18For I tell you truly, until heaven and earth pass away, not a single jot, not a stroke of a pen, will disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 So then, whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do likewise will be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever practices and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20For I tell you that unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.…Matthew 5

We need to be very careful what we teach others. What part of least in the Kingdom do you have trouble understanding?

Gary K · May 4, 2024

Diamond7 said:
He died to save us from ourselves and to set us free from sin.

Jesus Himself says in the sermon on the mount.

The Fulfillment of the Law
…18For I tell you truly, until heaven and earth pass away, not a single jot, not a stroke of a pen, will disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 So then, whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do likewise will be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever practices and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20For I tell you that unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.…Matthew 5

We need to be very careful what we teach others. What part of least in the Kingdom do you have trouble understanding?

I fully agree with the fulfillment of the law. I am not saying I am capable of keeping God's law on my own dime. I am only capable of keeping the law through the power of God.

Galatians 5: 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

There is no law that violates the fruit of the Spirit in the life. That includes the 10 commandments. If I do not violate them I am keeping them through the power of the Spirit.

Clare73 · May 4, 2024

Gary K said:
Jesus didn't die to save us? His Father's justice didn't require His death? How can we point to the cross and say it means God is not just, and will not require justice from us?

I was asserting God's justice in refutation of the question, "So God isn't just?"

Gary K · May 4, 2024

Clare73 said:
I was asserting God's justice in refutation of the question, "So God isn't just?"

It does not refute the context of the question I asked.

God's love doesn't override His justice.

Clare73 · May 4, 2024

Gary K said:
It does not refute the context of the question I asked.

I quoted the question I was addressing.

Gary K said:
God's love doesn't override His justice.

Agreed. . .his love must be according to his justice.

Maria Billingsley · May 4, 2024

HIM said:
You know of those verses that disagree with you, don't you?

Fear judgment not Him. This is what all those verses speak of, the second death.
Be blessed.

Gary K · May 4, 2024

Maria Billingsley said:
Fear judgment not Him. This is what all those verses speak of, the second death.
Be blessed.

Fear not him who can kill the body; fear Him who can kill the body and soul. Who judges us and puts us in the lake of fire which is the second death?

Maria Billingsley · May 4, 2024

Gary K said:
Fear not him who can kill the body; fear Him who can kill the body and soul. Who judges us and puts us in the lake of fire which is the second death?

There is a subtlety that may not be apparent to you. The difference between fear and fearing. Those who are in the Body of Christ do not fear. IMHO.

Gary K · May 4, 2024

Maria Billingsley said:
There is a subtlety that may not be apparent to you. The difference between fear and fearing. Those who are in the Body of Christ do not fear. IMHO.

Why is it I get the idea from you that your greatest objection is to the idea that God can cause us to keep His commandments?

Maria Billingsley · May 4, 2024

Gary K said:
Why is it I get the idea from you that your greatest objection is to the idea that God can cause us to keep His commandments?

Probably because my desire to be obedient is because I love Him rather than fear Him. Which brings me back to this scripture,,,

There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love.

Gary K · May 4, 2024

Maria Billingsley said:
Probably because my desire to be obedient is because I love Him rather than fear Him. Which brings me back to this scripture,,,

There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love.

What is the difference between and love and trust?

Maria Billingsley · May 5, 2024

Gary K said:
What is the difference between and love and trust?

Can't have one without the other. Trust and love are like two sides of the same coin. They both contribute to healthy, strong relationships.

HIM · May 5, 2024

Maria Billingsley said:
Fear judgment not Him. This is what all those verses speak of, the second death.
Be blessed.

Semantics, to fear His judgement is to fear Him.

Maria Billingsley · May 5, 2024

HIM said:
Semantics, to fear His judgement is to fear Him.

Yet we are told this...
There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with torment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love.

HIM · May 5, 2024

Maria Billingsley said:
Yet we are told this...
There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with torment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love.

The Law depends on love. Perfect Love would fulfil the Law. Therefore, no sinning and no condemnation.

Gary K · May 5, 2024

Maria Billingsley said:
Can't have one without the other. Trust and love are like two sides of the same coin. They both contribute to healthy, strong relationships.

You just refuted your entire objection to everything I've said.

Maria Billingsley · May 5, 2024

Gary K said:
You just refuted your entire objection to everything I've said.

We were speaking about fear. Thanks for engaging.

Maria Billingsley · May 5, 2024

HIM said:
The Law depends on love. Perfect Love would fulfil the Law. Therefore, no sinning and no condemnation.

We were talking about fear and that love conquers all fear. Not the law. Thanks for engaging.

Gary K · May 5, 2024

Maria Billingsley said:
We were speaking about fear. Thanks for engaging.

No. We have been talking about trust and justice. That's been my point since the OP.

Bob S · May 5, 2024

Gary K said:
You have told me you're an evolutionist. Do you now deny that?

That is either a blatant lie or you are unable to comprehend what I write. Why is it you feel the need to label others?

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