How do politics obey God?

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My friends.

Politics are not worth it. They don't help us grow in Christ.

Political division doesn't obey Romans chapter 13 or Titus 3. It doesn't obey Paul, who teaches us to have no divisions, disagreement, or fighting. Politics fear what mankind fears instead of trusting God.

Politics fear economics recession, jobs loss, wars, conspiracies, suspicions, and is concerned and worried about worldly matters Instead of seeking the kingdom of God.

It's full of division, dissension, factions, slander, rebellion, gossip, fear, worry, and anxiety. It wants to have control and to Lord over others instead of submitting to others in Godly fear and reverence.
 

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My friends.

Politics are not worth it. They don't help us grow in Christ.

Political division doesn't obey Romans chapter 13 or Titus 3. It doesn't obey Paul, who teaches us to have no divisions, disagreement, or fighting. Politics fear what mankind fears instead of trusting God.

Politics fear economics recession, jobs loss, wars, conspiracies, suspicions, and is concerned and worried about worldly matters Instead of seeking the kingdom of God.

It's full of division, dissension, factions, slander, rebellion, gossip, fear, worry, and anxiety. It wants to have control and to Lord over others instead of submitting to others in Godly fear and reverence.
All politicians are like diapers. They are often full of poop and need frequent changing. :p
 
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Hello @HopeSings, I want to say up front that I hate politics, especially today's, for most of the reasons that you've mentioned, in point of fact. I don't listen to national news broadcasts anymore (left or right) because they seem to have little to do with actual "news" and everything to do with "politics" instead (+ intentional fearmongering, of course).

Most of all, I am saddened to see the unloving division that politics so often brings to the last place that it should ever be, within the body of Christ. Oh, that all of us Christians would take seriously the commands/admonishments that are found in Titus 3:1-2 about this, yes :oldthumbsup::oldthumbsup:

That all said, the Bible calls us to be good citizens of whatever government/governing authority that we find ourselves under in this life. We have to live in this world as what God made us to be to it, light and salt .. e.g. Matthew 5:13-16, which means that we are not only called to be the best Christians that we can be, but the best examples of how to live as good citizens too, first and foremost to honor and glorify God (who establishes all of the governing authorities of men), and to help others, of course, be they believers or not (it should be noted here that we MUST obey God before/instead of man whenever what is demanded of us by a civil government violates His commands).

Here are some Scriptures to consider that look at all of this from different angles.

Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God.
But Peter and the apostles answered, “We must obey God rather than men."
Be subject ~for the Lord's sake~ to every human institution, whether it be to the emperor as supreme, or to governors as sent by him to punish those who do evil and to praise those who do good. For this is the will of God, that by doing good you should put to silence the ignorance of foolish people. Live as people who are free, not using your freedom as a cover-up for evil, but living as servants of God. Honor everyone. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honor the emperor.
First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all people, ~for kings and all who are in high positions, that we may lead a peaceful and quiet life, godly and dignified in every way~. This is good, and it is pleasing in the sight of God our Savior.
Remind them to be submissive to rulers and authorities, to be obedient, to be ready for every good work,
Pay to all what is owed to them: taxes to whom taxes are owed, revenue to whom revenue is owed, respect to whom respect is owed, honor to whom honor is owed.
Jesus answered him, “You would have no authority over me at all unless it had been given you from above. Therefore he who delivered me over to you has the greater sin.”
For kingship belongs to the Lord, and He rules over the nations.
He (your ruler) is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God’s wrath on the wrongdoer.
The king's heart is a stream of water in the hand of the Lord; He turns it wherever He will.
They said, “Caesar's.” Then He said to them, “Therefore render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God’s.”
Remind them to be submissive to rulers and authorities, to be obedient, to be ready for every good work, to ~speak evil of no one~, to ~avoid quarreling~, to be gentle, and to show perfect courtesy toward ~all~ people.
Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment.
6 Unto us a Child is born, unto us a Son is given; and the government shall be upon His shoulder: and His name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
7 Of the increase of His government and of peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to establish it, and to uphold it with justice and with righteousness from henceforth even forevermore. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this. :amen:

God bless you!!

--David
 
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Hello @HopeSings, I want to say up front that I hate politics, especially today's, for most of the reasons that you've mentioned, in point of fact. I don't listen to national news broadcasts anymore (left or right), because they seem to have little to do with actual "news" and everything to do with "politics" instead (+ intentional fearmongering, of course).

Most of all, I am saddened to see the unloving division that politics so often brings to the last place that it should ever be, within the body of Christ. Oh, that all of us Christians would take seriously the commands/admonishments that are found in Titus 3:1-2 about this, yes :oldthumbsup::oldthumbsup:

That all said, the Bible calls us to be good citizens of whatever government/governing authority that we find ourselves under in this life. We have to live in this world as light and salt, which means that we are called to be the best examples that we can be of how to live as good citizens, first and foremost to honor and glorify the Lord (who establishes all of the governing authorities of men), and to help others, of course, be they believers or not (it should be noted here that we MUST obey God before/instead of man whenever what is demanded of us by a civil government violates His commands).

Here are some Scriptures to consider that look at all of this from different angles.

Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God.
But Peter and the apostles answered, “We must obey God rather than men."
Be subject ~for the Lord's sake~ to every human institution, whether it be to the emperor as supreme, or to governors as sent by him to punish those who do evil and to praise those who do good. For this is the will of God, that by doing good you should put to silence the ignorance of foolish people. Live as people who are free, not using your freedom as a cover-up for evil, but living as servants of God. Honor everyone. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honor the emperor.
First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all people, ~for kings and all who are in high positions, that we may lead a peaceful and quiet life, godly and dignified in every way~. This is good, and it is pleasing in the sight of God our Savior.
Remind them to be submissive to rulers and authorities, to be obedient, to be ready for every good work,
Pay to all what is owed to them: taxes to whom taxes are owed, revenue to whom revenue is owed, respect to whom respect is owed, honor to whom honor is owed.
Jesus answered him, “You would have no authority over me at all unless it had been given you from above. Therefore he who delivered me over to you has the greater sin.”
For kingship belongs to the Lord, and he rules over the nations.
He (your ruler) is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God’s wrath on the wrongdoer.
The king's heart is a stream of water in the hand of the Lord; he turns it wherever he will.
They said, “Caesar's.” Then he said to them, “Therefore render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God’s.”
Remind them to be submissive to rulers and authorities, to be obedient, to be ready for every good work, to ~speak evil of no one~, to ~avoid quarreling~, to be gentle, and to show perfect courtesy toward ~all~ people.
Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment.
6 Unto us a Child is born, unto us a Son is given; and the government shall be upon His shoulder: and His name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
7 Of the increase of His government and of peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to establish it, and to uphold it with justice and with righteousness from henceforth even forevermore. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this. :amen:

God bless you!!

--David
People don't want me preaching here. I'll need to keep it in theology
 
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People don't want me preaching here. I'll need to keep it in theology
I am glad that you are posting your threads in this sub-forum. Although I may not agree with everything that you are saying, it is refreshingly good to read your point of view.
 
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People don't want me preaching here. I'll need to keep it in theology
That's interesting, because it seems like you picked the proper board to do both (discuss and debate both theology AND politics, that is)! Oh well.
 
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I am glad that you are posting your threads in this sub-forum. Although I may not agree with everything that you are saying, it is refreshingly good to read your point of view.
Someone said that it might violate rules
 
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In a fallen world where power matters, politics are a necessity. To abstain from the political is to abstain from power and if you don’t have power someone else will. Said one will likely not use power in a way that benefits you and may even use it to harm you.
 
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That's interesting, because it seems like you picked the proper board to do both (discuss and debate both theology AND politics, that is)! Oh well.
I don't want to get in trouble with moderators
 
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In my opinion, I do not believe that is something that you will need to worry about. I've read several of your posts and I have not seen anything that I believe breaks any of the rules around here.
 
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Yes, don't do that, as being a good citizen of this forum is important too :oldthumbsup: (the mods/admins have set rules as a benefit and blessing to everyone here, and I have always found them to be that .. and reasonable, as well :)). Like @Vambram just said, I don't see anything wrong with any of the posts that you've made/that I have read so far, so no worries :sunglasses:

That said, if a moderator or admin does tell you to do something going forward, be sure to comply (and if you feel that their request was unreasonable, you can still argue it with them afterwards/ask for a review).

God bless you!!

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As someone else has posted, if we Christians do not participate in politics, somebody else's values will shape the way our society is structured. To withdraw from participation in shaping how our world is governed is to abdicate our responsibility as citizens of the Kingdom of God.
 
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As someone else has posted, if we Christians do not participate in politics, somebody else's values will shape the way our society is structured. To withdraw from participation in shaping how our world is governed is to abdicate our responsibility as citizens of the Kingdom of God.
We don't live in society and God judges them. Do you think that you are God? Pray for them and be a light of peace not contention, rebellion, fear and worry. Worldly fears and concerns are evil. Talk about love, faith and hope in Jesus Christ but not politics.
 
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As someone else has posted, if we Christians do not participate in politics, somebody else's values will shape the way our society is structured. To withdraw from participation in shaping how our world is governed is to abdicate our responsibility as citizens of the Kingdom of God.
America is not God's kingdom. We come out of the world and are separated from America
 
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We don't live in society
We obviously live in society. How can you expect to be taken seriously when you post something like this?
Do you think that you are God?
What in the world are you talking about? I have posted nothing that would suggest I am trying to put myself in God's position.
Pray for them and be a light of peace not contention, rebellion, fear and worry. Worldly fears and concerns are evil. Talk about love, faith and hope in Jesus Christ but not politics.
For the 5th time (probably): How do you justify staying out of political involvement given that this means that "kingdom of God" values will then not have a voice in how we organize our society? Take abortion as an example. If you are like most (I believe) Christians, you see it as murder, at least in many situations. How do you defend not participating in efforts to enshrine protection for the unborn in the laws of the land?

No sermons, no one-line vague statements about how politics is evil, just an actual answer to clear and valid question, please.
 
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We obviously live in society. How can you expect to be taken seriously when you post something like this?

What in the world are you talking about? I have posted nothing that would suggest I am trying to put myself in God's position.

For the 5th time (probably): How do you justify staying out of political involvement given that this means that "kingdom of God" values will then not have a voice in how we organize our society? Take abortion as an example. If you are like most (I believe) Christians, you see it as murder, at least in many situations. How do you defend not participating in efforts to enshrine protection for the unborn in the laws of the land?

No sermons, no one-line vague statements about how politics is evil, just an actual answer to clear and valid question, please.
You live in society maybe but I'm dead to the world and its dead to me. Crucified.
 
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You live in society maybe but I'm dead to the world and its dead to me. Crucified.
Do you live on Mars? Or in a shack in the woods with no connection at all to the outside world? No? Then you live in society. Period.

You appear to take short snippets of Bible text and then draw completely unsupportable conclusions from them.

If you are "dead to the world", why even bother with it in any respect whatsoever? Why evangelize if you are dead to the world?

Your steadfast refusal to answer a clear question speaks volumes.
 
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Do you live on Mars? Or in a shack in the woods with no connection at all to the outside world? No? Then you live in society. Period.

You appear to take short snippets of Bible text and then draw completely unsupportable conclusions from them.

If you are "dead to the world", why even bother with it in any respect whatsoever? Why evangelize if you are dead to the world?

Your steadfast refusal to answer a clear question speaks volumes.
I mind my business at home like I'm supposed to. I don't Lord over other's or fight with them or slander and gossip about them with politics
 
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I mind my business at home like I'm supposed to.
You mind your own business?

But when the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, then He will sit on His glorious throne. 32 And all the nations will be gathered before Him; and He will separate them from one another, just as the shepherd separates the sheep from the goats; 33 and He will put the sheep on His right, but the goats on the left.

34 “Then the King will say to those on His right, ‘Come, you who are blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. 35 For I was hungry, and you gave Me something to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me something to drink; I was a stranger, and you invited Me in; 36 naked, and you clothed Me; I was sick, and you visited Me; I was in prison, and you came to Me.’ 37 Then the righteous will answer Him, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry, and feed You, or thirsty, and give You something to drink? 38 And when did we see You as a stranger, and invite You in, or naked, and clothe You? 39 And when did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?’ 40 And the King will answer and say to them, ‘Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did it for one of the least of these brothers or sisters of Mine, you did it for Me.


If you "mind your own business", how does that work in relation to this text?

You may think this is not fair. Well, perhaps you can clarify - if you are staying at home to avoid engagement with the political domain, how are you then able to engage with the world in order meet the mandate Jesus is presenting to us in this text?
 
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