Absolute proof.. can't deny.. the earth is flat

Strong in Him said:

The question is, WHY don't you believe that man walked on the moon?

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Genesis 1

Read post above.

Strong in Him said:

Logic says that we can believe the word of those who are more knowledgeable than us and those who have had experiences that we haven't - unless there is evidence to the contrary.
I've never had a baby - but I believe the pregnancy/birth stories of those who were there and who experienced it.
I've never had chemotherapy - but I believe the eye witness accounts of those who have.
I wasn't there when America was discovered - but I have no doubt that it was and the media footage about Americans isn't all one big fake.
I wasn't there when you were born - but I'll take your word for it that you are a real person, so obviously you were.

So logic says that if 90% (a guess) of people say that the earth is a sphere and we know this partly because there are photographs which show it: and the other 10% of people say "no, not true; all faked", while showing no evidence of their claims, it is far more likely to be the majority who are correct. Especially if, within that majority, you have people who were there and can provide eye witness accounts, interviews and so on.

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I couldn't help it

Apple Sky said:

Genesis 1

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Says nothing about people walking on the moon.

Neither does it say anything about people discovering computers, the motor car, aeroplanes, penicillin etc etc.
But we know that all these things have happened.

Apple Sky said:

I couldn't help it

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No doubt because you don't want to answer my post..

Strong in Him said:

Says nothing about people walking on the moon.

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No, but Gen 1 does give us an inclination as to why the moon can never be walked upon, which would be they'd never get through the firmament.

Strong in Him said:

No doubt because you don't want to answer my post..

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But I did answer your post, twice.

Apple Sky said:

But I did answer your post, twice.

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Only with a ridiculous post about not playing with super glue.

Apple Sky said:

No, but Gen 1 does give us an inclination as to why the moon can never be walked upon, which would be they'd never get through the firmament.

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No, it doesn't.

Apple Sky said:

No, but Gen 1 does give us an inclination as to why the moon can never be walked upon, which would be they'd never get through the firmament.

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You can't even get your interpretation straight. Genesis 1:17 says God set the sun and moon in the firmament, not beyond it, so even with your hyperliteral interpretation, they only have to reach, not penetrate beyond, the firmament to get to the moon.

Apple Sky said:

They still made Hollywood movies didn't they ?



Fake.



How could they when they have never been & besides they still haven't got the right measurement of the distance to the moon.

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You can repeat this nonsense all the time you want, but it still stands we have real evidence - photos, videos, rocks from the moon and even the laser mirrors installed there during Apollo missions. Also all the equipment, technology, people involved.

You, on the other hand, have no evidence, just throwing "lies, fake" to every direction - its only an evidence of some kind of a social disorder of yours.

Apple Sky said:

No, but Gen 1 does give us an inclination as to why the moon can never be walked upon, which would be they'd never get through the firmament.

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Why are the ideas of the bronze-age Babylonia or Egypt so important to you? And before you start - no, Genesis 1 was not written by God. Nothing in the Bible was written by God.

prodromos said:

You can't even get your interpretation straight. Genesis 1:17 says God set the sun and moon in the firmament, not beyond it, so even with your hyperliteral interpretation, they only have to reach, not penetrate beyond, the firmament to get to the moon.

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That's right - Genesis 1 says that God set the sun, moon and all the stars in the firmament, so how are they going to penetrate the firmament.
Nobody's said anything about the moon being beyond it.

trophy33 said:

rocks

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A moon rock given to the Dutch prime minister by Apollo 11 astronauts in 1969 has turned out to be a fake. Curators at Amsterdam's Rijksmuseum, where the rock has attracted tens of thousands of visitors each year, discovered that the "lunar rock", valued at £308,000, was in fact petrified wood

trophy33 said:

people involved

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A need to know basis.

trophy33 said:

Why are the ideas of the bronze-age Babylonia or Egypt so important to you? And before you start - no, Genesis 1 was not written by God. Nothing in the Bible was written by God.

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And what about the rest of Genesis ?

Apple Sky said:

A moon rock given to the Dutch prime minister by Apollo 11 astronauts in 1969 has turned out to be a fake. Curators at Amsterdam's Rijksmuseum, where the rock has attracted tens of thousands of visitors each year, discovered that the "lunar rock", valued at £308,000, was in fact petrified wood

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This one was fake, as discovered by geologists and museum. Not by flat earthers, btw. Its great you trust mainstream scientists, space experts, museums and at least the Dutch people, now, though.

"During a showing in 2006, a space expert told the Rijksmuseum it was unlikely that NASA would have handed out moon rocks so shortly after Apollo returned to Earth.
Testing by researchers from Amsterdam's Free University determined the object was not moon rock."

Also, it was not given by the Apollo astronauts, but by the former US ambassador. Some articles get it confused because it happened during their tour in Holland.

The real Dutch moon rocks are in a natural history museum.

Apple Sky said:

A need to know basis.

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No. These people were and are life-long professional experts in their fields and frequently also enthusiasts in their free time.

Apple Sky said:

And what about the rest of Genesis ?

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Try to ask more specifically.

Apple Sky said:

A moon rock given to the Dutch prime minister by Apollo 11 astronauts in 1969 has turned out to be a fake. Curators at Amsterdam's Rijksmuseum, where the rock has attracted tens of thousands of visitors each year, discovered that the "lunar rock", valued at £308,000, was in fact petrified wood

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The article states it was given to the Dutch prime minister by J. William Middendorf, the former American ambassador to the Netherlands, not by the astronauts. However, there is nothing to actually link the rock with any gift given by the ambassador. The rock and the card that is displayed with it in the museum were both among the personal effects of the former prime minister which his family sorted through after he died and it seems likely that they mistakenly linked the two. The card does not mention what was given, which could have been a bunch of flowers or a bottle of champagne. If it was something as valuable as a lunar rock sample it certainly would have mentioned it. There is also the fact that Willem Drees was an ex-prime minister who had retired a decade earlier and was nearly deaf and blind when he received the gift associated with the card. Why would the US ambassador give such a supposedly valuable gift to a relatively unknown former politician and not to the Dutch royal family? He wouldn't and didn't. Nor were any lunar rock samples given to anyone else at the event described.
It isn't clear where Drees got the petrified wood that was among his personal effects but he didn't get it from the ambassador and certainly not from the astronauts. It had nothing to do with the card that was subsequently associated with it.

trophy33 said:

Try to ask more specifically.

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What I mean is, if Genesis 1 wasn't written by God, what about the rest of Genesis ?

Apple Sky said:

A moon rock given to the Dutch prime minister by Apollo 11 astronauts in 1969 has turned out to be a fake. Curators at Amsterdam's Rijksmuseum, where the rock has attracted tens of thousands of visitors each year, discovered that the "lunar rock", valued at £308,000, was in fact petrified wood

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If one can be fake, it's makes one wonder about the rest.

About the deluge, how did the ball earth manage to get flooded ?